(I am new to this platform, so if my comment shows up somewhere wonky or if I should be nesting this or if I'm hogging the chat, apologies to all)
I think findundergrounddragoutofwater was also poking around with how courting would work? Specifically, when subs chose their level (upstairs/stairwell/downstairs), and how they would be courted by doms?
If you conceive of this system as being a universal sub-class system that subs could use to express identity, rather than a way for a few rich abusive doms to divide a private harem, I was thinking that it is less about subs being *trained* into a category, and more about categories that sub eventually end up in as a result of their own kink and play preferences?
(although please subject this to as many darker interpretations as you want, where the dom controls more in categorization because i am a dumpster fire of angst)
Like...as subs begin the growing up process in this BDSM AU, and start actually coming of age in terms of puberty and sex and learning about play, they will eventually end up in one category or another by their preferences. Subs who become upstairs subs tend to prefer play that puts them at the center of positive romantic control and attention. They want to sleep IN the bed, rather than at the foot or on the floor. They generally do not prefer long periods of denial, or intense pain/impact play. If painplay or more intense kink is involved, their dom is right there with them at every step, whispering sweet nothings and telling them how cute and pretty and lovely they are. Think sugar baby rather than footstool, lapdog vs. guard dog.
Downstairs subs tend to correlate more with play that proves how much they can take for their dom, if that makes sense? Downstairs subs more commonly have humiliation or objectification kinks. They're the ones sleeping on the floor or at the foot of the bed, the one kneeling beside the chair in a dungeon rather than sitting in their dom's lap. Doms can be affectionate with their downstairs sub, but its less constant sweet fluff and more a firm hand at the end of a scene and a significant "good job, you did so well for me, let's go clean up." A lot more service subbing in the actual service (manual labor) sense, more likelihood of service topping or bottoming for an upstairs sub at a dom's orders.
Depending on region and culture and other things, subs are generally expected to have "chosen" or gravitated to upstairs/downstairs by a certain age, and reflect that in their body language so other subs and doms know how to be polite with them. Subs who do not choose are generally stigmatized as spinsters who cannot get doms to play with them for a variety of reasons
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Date: 2018-12-09 06:42 pm (UTC)I think
If you conceive of this system as being a universal sub-class system that subs could use to express identity, rather than a way for a few rich abusive doms to divide a private harem, I was thinking that it is less about subs being *trained* into a category, and more about categories that sub eventually end up in as a result of their own kink and play preferences?
(although please subject this to as many darker interpretations as you want, where the dom controls more in categorization because i am a dumpster fire of angst)
Like...as subs begin the growing up process in this BDSM AU, and start actually coming of age in terms of puberty and sex and learning about play, they will eventually end up in one category or another by their preferences. Subs who become upstairs subs tend to prefer play that puts them at the center of positive romantic control and attention. They want to sleep IN the bed, rather than at the foot or on the floor. They generally do not prefer long periods of denial, or intense pain/impact play. If painplay or more intense kink is involved, their dom is right there with them at every step, whispering sweet nothings and telling them how cute and pretty and lovely they are. Think sugar baby rather than footstool, lapdog vs. guard dog.
Downstairs subs tend to correlate more with play that proves how much they can take for their dom, if that makes sense? Downstairs subs more commonly have humiliation or objectification kinks. They're the ones sleeping on the floor or at the foot of the bed, the one kneeling beside the chair in a dungeon rather than sitting in their dom's lap. Doms can be affectionate with their downstairs sub, but its less constant sweet fluff and more a firm hand at the end of a scene and a significant "good job, you did so well for me, let's go clean up." A lot more service subbing in the actual service (manual labor) sense, more likelihood of service topping or bottoming for an upstairs sub at a dom's orders.
Depending on region and culture and other things, subs are generally expected to have "chosen" or gravitated to upstairs/downstairs by a certain age, and reflect that in their body language so other subs and doms know how to be polite with them. Subs who do not choose are generally stigmatized as spinsters who cannot get doms to play with them for a variety of reasons